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Friday, June 28, 2024

An Off Script Act of Solidarity: An Interview with Shruthi Kumar

As a member of Harvard College’s class of 2024, Shruthi Kumar went off script during her senior English address at Harvard’s commencement, expressing indignation at Harvard’s response to the Gaza solidarity encampment in Harvard Yard and acknowledging the 13 Harvard College seniors barred from receiving degrees due to their involvement in the encampment. Kumar sat down with The HPR to discuss her experiences with doxxing in the aftermath of October 7, her decision to go off script, and how her address’s message of “not knowing” speaks to broader messages around solidarity and human rights. 

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Harvard Political Review: In your senior English address, your original script already had mentions of the war in Gaza and the tensions it has caused on campus. At commencement, however, you went off script to recognize the 13 seniors denied their degrees and to express your disappointment for “the intolerance for freedom of speech and the right to civil disobedience on campus.” Could you walk us through your decision to include that unscripted segment in your address? How did you feel delivering that portion at commencement?

Shruthi Kumar: So ​the ​decision ​to ​kind ​of ​go ​off ​script, ​quote, ​unquote, ​was built ​up ​over ​time; it ​was ​building ​up ​in ​the ​weeks ​leading ​up ​to ​commencement. ​There ​were ​students [going through] ​an ​emotional ​roller ​coaster ​of ​whether ​or ​not ​they ​were ​going ​to ​get ​their ​degrees. ​They ​were ​talking ​to ​their ​tutors, and ​they ​were ​talking ​to ​people. ​The ​FAS had ​voted ​that ​Monday, so ​things ​seemed ​like ​they ​were ​good, ​and ​then ​they ​were ​bad, ​and ​then ​they ​were ​good. ​So ​it ​was ​a ​wild ​ride ​leading ​up ​to ​commencement, which ​culminated ​in ​the ​decision ​made ​by ​the Harvard ​Corporation ​the ​day ​before ​commencement. ​ ​

And ​so, ​earlier ​that ​week, ​I ​had ​written ​in ​my ​notes ​app, ​if ​the ​Corporation ​decides ​this, ​I ​might ​say ​this, ​or ​if ​they ​decide not ​in ​favor, ​I ​might ​say ​this. ​So ​I ​kind ​of ​had ​plans, ​to ​say ​something ​that ​day ​depending ​on ​how ​things ​would ​go. ​Everything ​was ​just ​changing ​on ​a ​day-to-​day ​basis, ​and ​so ​I ​was ​waiting to ​make ​my ​final ​decision ​based ​on ​how ​things ​were ​going. ​We ​also ​did ​have ​the ​chance ​to ​name ​students ​at Class Day, and ​I ​did ​that ​along ​with ​another ​student ​​who’s ​one ​of ​the ​Marshals. ​And ​then ​during ​the ​commencement ​speech, obviously ​my ​original ​script ​already ​talked ​about ​Gaza, ​the ​war, and ​what’s ​going ​on, ​especially ​with ​tensions ​on ​campus, ​like ​you ​mentioned. 

​But, ​the ​decision ​to ​mention ​the ​13 ​students ​was ​really ​because ​a ​lot ​of ​the ​students were ​​exercising ​their ​right ​to ​protest ​on ​campus, and ​that’s ​not ​something ​that ​I ​felt ​was ​just ​for ​Harvard ​to ​punish ​them ​over. ​Civil ​disobedience ​and ​peaceful ​protest ​is ​something ​that ​is ​a ​right ​that ​students ​should ​maintain ​in ​college ​and ​have ​maintained ​on ​college ​campuses ​for ​a ​long ​time. I ​also ​have ​friends ​in ​other ​colleges ​across ​the ​U.S. ​who ​were ​allowed ​to ​protest; their ​colleges ​did ​not ​shut ​them ​down. ​And ​so ​it ​was ​just ​really ​disheartening ​to ​see ​Harvard ​take ​such ​drastic ​measures ​against ​my ​peers. ​So, ​on ​Wednesday, ​which ​was ​the ​day ​before ​commencement, ​we ​named ​students ​at ​the ​Class ​Day ​exercises, ​and ​then ​that ​evening ​or ​afternoon ​was ​when ​the ​Corporation ​released ​their ​decision. 

​​Following ​that, ​I ​had ​many ​calls ​and ​conversations ​with ​students ​whose ​degrees ​were ​being ​barred. ​We ​were ​at ​the ​family ​reception, ​just ​talking ​about ​what ​was ​going ​on, ​and ​it ​was ​weighing ​pretty ​heavily ​on ​people’s ​hearts. It ​was also ​something ​heavy ​on ​my ​mind ​and ​my ​heart, and ​so ​that ​night ​around ​11:30, I ​pieced ​all ​my ​thoughts ​and ​reflections ​together ​on ​a ​note ​card. ​And ​then I ​decided ​that ​since ​it ​was ​the ​night ​before, ​I ​didn’t ​want ​to commit ​to ​memorizing ​it, ​so ​I ​had ​it ​on ​the ​note ​card. ​I ​also ​wanted ​to ​stylistically ​differentiate ​that ​moment ​from ​the ​rest ​of ​the ​speech, ​because ​I ​wanted ​to ​maintain ​my ​message, ​which ​is the ​power ​of “​not ​knowing,” ​and ​weave ​it ​in ​a ​way ​that ​created ​a ​moment ​for ​itself ​but was ​also ​a ​part ​of ​this ​larger ​speech ​that ​I ​was ​giving. ​So ​that’s a ​little ​context ​as ​to ​how ​it ​all ​happened.

HPR: With ​deciding ​to ​include ​that ​segment ​in ​your ​address, ​were ​you ​at ​all ​scared ​of ​any ​backlash ​that ​you ​would ​possibly ​face ​after ​commencement? 

SK: ​There’s ​always ​a ​risk ​to ​creating ​something ​in ​a ​big ​moment ​like ​that. ​​I ​think ​for ​me, ​I ​wasn’t. ​While ​I ​was ​giving ​the ​speech ​and ​in ​the ​days ​leading ​up ​to ​it, ​I ​wasn’t ​so ​much ​concerned ​about ​what ​might ​happen ​afterward. ​Sure, ​if ​there ​were ​consequences, ​we ​would ​deal ​with ​that ​when ​it ​came, but ​what ​I ​was ​saying ​wasn’t ​necessarily ​false. ​It ​wasn’t ​necessarily ​against ​the ​university ​in ​any ​way. ​I ​was ​expressing ​my ​feelings ​as ​a ​student, ​and I ​have ​every ​right ​to ​do ​that, ​just ​as ​every ​other ​student ​has ​the ​right ​to ​express ​how ​they ​feel ​in ​a ​civil ​and ​polite ​manner. ​So ​I ​think ​the ​way ​that ​I ​phrased ​things, and ​the ​language ​I ​used ​was ​all ​intentional. ​It ​was ​crafted ​such ​that ​I ​spoke ​more ​based ​on ​fact ​and ​truth ​than on ​highly ​emotional ​statements.

​I ​haven’t ​faced ​any ​backlash ​so ​far ​from ​the ​university, and ​I ​was ​exercising ​my ​right ​to ​free ​speech ​just ​the ​same ​way ​that ​all ​the ​other ​students ​were ​exercising ​their ​rights ​to ​free ​speech ​on ​campus. ​And ​so ​it’s ​not ​something ​that ​should ​ever ​be ​punishable. ​And ​there ​were ​slight ​worries. ​I ​was ​worried ​my ​mic ​might ​be ​cut; ​I ​was ​worried ​stuff ​like ​that ​might ​happen. ​And ​if ​it ​did, ​I ​would ​deal ​with ​it ​in ​the ​situation ​in ​which ​it ​arose. ​But, ​at ​that ​moment, ​it ​just ​felt ​like ​the ​elephant ​in ​the ​room, ​and ​no ​one ​had ​talked ​about ​it ​yet ​at ​commencement, ​so ​it ​was ​something ​I ​felt ​responsible ​for talking ​about. 

HPR: After ​the ​Hamas-led ​attack on October 7, tensions arose when the Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee (PSC) authored a statement — which was co-signed by 33 Harvard student organizations — that held “the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.” Following the statement release, PSC and the co-signing organizations were faced with backlash, including the doxxing of student leaders. As someone who faced doxxing, could you describe your reaction, as well as your thoughts on the general environment on campus during that period of time?

SK: So ​I ​was ​President ​of ​the South ​Asian ​Association ​the ​previous ​year, so ​not ​during ​the ​year ​that ​the ​statement ​was ​signed. But ​I ​think ​student ​leaders ​had ​signed ​the ​statement, ​and ​so ​therefore, all ​members ​of ​certain ​organizations, ​were ​conflated ​under ​the ​signing ​of ​the ​statement, ​which ​was ​a ​decision ​taken ​by ​a ​few ​student ​leaders ​rather ​than ​by ​the ​entire ​body ​of ​people ​signing ​petitions. ​This ​is ​a ​frustration ​that ​I ​think ​a ​lot ​of ​student ​organizations ​experienced ​was ​some ​people ​made ​decisions ​to ​sign ​statements, ​and ​others ​that ​were ​implicated ​in ​that ​process ​were ​doxxed. And ​so ​there’s ​a ​lot ​of ​complex ​relations ​with ​student ​organizations ​on ​campus ​related ​to ​the ​doxxing. ​

I ​​think ​there’s ​more ​nuance, ​and ​my ​decision ​to ​sign ​the ​statement ​or ​not ​would ​have ​been ​different ​from ​maybe ​the decisions of the ​groups ​that ​I ​was ​a ​part of. My ​view ​is ​that ​things ​are ​much ​more ​nuanced ​and ​sometimes ​on ​campus, ​it ​can ​be ​hard ​to ​express ​those ​nuanced ​views ​when ​there seems ​like ​there’s ​only ​one ​way ​to ​do ​it. ​​And ​so ​I ​guess ​the ​doxxing ​for ​me ​was ​just ​students ​that ​were ​expressing ​support ​for ​Palestine ​or ​support ​for ​liberation ​of ​any ​kind — ​that ​was ​conflated ​with ​supporting ​Hamas ​or ​supporting ​terrorism. ​And ​that ​conflation ​creates ​harm, so ​that’s ​what ​happened, ​I ​would ​say, ​for ​a ​lot ​of ​students. 

​So ​there’s ​nuance ​there: ​You ​can ​support ​liberation, you ​can ​support ​Palestinians, you ​can ​also ​denounce ​terrorism, and you ​can ​denounce ​Hamas. ​So ​there ​wasn’t ​room ​for ​nuance ​in ​that ​situation ​on ​campus, which ​made ​it ​difficult ​to ​have ​productive ​conversations. ​We ​saw ​extreme ​polarization ​in ​a ​way ​that ​was ​also ​unproductive, and ​so, ​I ​don’t ​know, ​I ​think ​there’s ​a ​lot ​of ​complex ​happenings ​on ​campus, ​especially ​with ​student ​organizations, ​how ​they’re ​governed, ​and ​how ​those ​decisions ​are ​made. At ​the ​end ​of ​the ​day, ​doxxing ​is ​a ​painful ​experience and ​a ​really ​scary ​experience. ​I ​was ​scared ​to ​leave ​Mather ​House ​for ​several ​days ​because ​of ​the [doxxing] ​truck ​that ​was ​in ​the ​Yard ​because ​my ​name ​was ​on ​a ​list ​of ​people ​who ​supposedly ​supported ​Hamas, ​which ​was ​not ​true. I ​was ​worried ​about ​my ​career. 

​​That largely [targeted] ​brown ​students ​on ​campus. ​There ​were ​hijabi ​students ​that ​were ​on ​the ​truck. It ​was ​very ​targeted, ​​in ​the ​way ​that ​this ​doxxing ​was ​happening, and ​I ​didn’t ​feel ​very ​protected ​by ​Harvard. ​I ​didn’t ​feel ​like ​there ​was ​a ​ton ​of ​support. ​And ​also, ​for ​my ​peers ​who ​were ​not ​affected ​by ​this, ​they didn’t ​seem ​to ​know ​what ​was ​going ​on ​either. ​And ​so ​it ​seemed ​like ​it ​was ​just ​happening ​to ​a ​select ​group ​of ​people, ​and ​therefore ​no ​one ​else ​was ​concerned. ​That ​was ​the feeling ​on ​campus, and ​there’s ​complexity ​in ​all ​of ​this. ​I ​feel ​like ​we ​haven’t ​dove ​into ​the ​complexity ​yet, ​and ​I ​want ​to ​see ​more ​nuance ​in ​how ​we ​talk ​about ​these ​things. There ​wasn’t ​room ​for ​that ​then, ​and ​there’s ​not ​much ​room now ​either.

HPR: ​How ​do ​you ​think ​Harvard ​could ​have ​better ​supported the students ​and ​reacted ​toward ​the ​doxxing ​when ​it ​happened? ​And ​how ​can ​it ​​build ​up ​that ​nuance and ​build ​up ​those ​conversations ​and ​discussions ​around ​the Israel-Palestine conflict?

SK: I ​can ​speak ​to ​the ​protests ​and ​what ​I ​think ​Harvard ​could ​have ​done ​as ​a ​university. As ​an ​educational ​institution, ​it ​is ​their ​responsibility ​to ​teach ​what ​civil ​disobedience and ​peaceful ​protest ​look like. ​To ​communicate ​and ​be ​transparent ​with ​students, ​and ​have ​those ​conversations, ​and ​express ​this ​type ​of ​protest ​is ​acceptable: This ​is ​what ​your ​protest ​can ​look ​like, this ​is ​what ​we ​can ​allow, ​and ​this ​is ​what ​we ​can’t ​allow. ​Those kinds ​of ​educational ​measures ​would ​have ​been ​helpful ​during ​this ​whole ​process, and ​I ​think ​there ​was ​a ​lot ​of ​miscommunication ​as ​to ​what ​consequences ​students ​might ​face. ​​

You ​know, ​if ​students ​clearly ​knew ​what ​type ​of ​protest ​and ​what ​the ​lines ​were ​on ​campus, ​ ​students ​may ​have ​made ​different ​decisions. Especially ​there were students where ​their ​degrees ​were ​barred, ​and ​they ​were ​only ​at ​the ​protest ​for ​one ​day. ​They ​didn’t ​set ​up ​the ​encampment, they ​weren’t ​heavily ​involved, ​they ​were ​there ​just ​peacefully ​protesting ​for ​one ​day. ​And ​because ​they ​were ​at ​the ​wrong ​place, ​wrong ​time, ​they ​got ​caught ​by ​the ​video ​or ​the ID ​checking ​or ​whatever ​processes ​they ​were ​using, ​which ​was ​somewhat ​arbitrary, ​from ​what ​I’ve ​heard ​at ​least. ​So there’s ​a ​lot ​there. ​I ​think, ​education-wise, ​Harvard ​can ​teach ​what ​civil ​disobedience and ​peaceful ​protesting ​looks ​like, and ​that’s ​something ​that ​I ​think ​would ​have ​been ​very ​useful ​this ​semester.

With ​the ​doxxing, ​I ​would ​have ​liked ​to ​feel ​protected ​a ​little ​bit ​more; ​I ​was ​looking ​for ​a ​letter ​or ​a ​statement ​that ​I ​could ​provide ​companies ​or ​jobs ​or ​graduate ​programs ​I ​was ​applying ​to to ​make ​it ​clear ​that ​I ​don’t ​support ​Hamas and that ​I ​don’t ​support ​terrorism. ​​That’s ​something ​that co-opted ​and ​was ​all ​over ​kind ​of ​media ​and ​lists. ​And ​that ​was ​scary ​to ​have ​your ​name ​attached ​to ​something ​you ​don’t ​believe, and ​when ​that ​happens, ​I — alongside ​other ​students — we’re ​looking ​for ​some ​kind ​of ​protection. ​We’re ​looking ​for​ ​statements ​from ​the ​university ​that ​would ​protect ​us ​from ​the ​harm ​we ​were ​facing ​in ​our ​careers ​and ​in ​our ​futures, ​and ​we ​never ​kind ​of ​received ​that. ​And ​so ​that’s ​something ​that ​I ​wish ​was ​taken ​care ​of ​at ​the ​time.

HPR: Going ​back ​to ​your ​speech — it has gotten quite a bit of media coverage. What are your thoughts on the national attention that your address has received? Do you think that the media coverage of your speech, as well as the media coverage of the pro-Palestinian movement on campus over the past year, which some have said has more play in the news than the conflict itself, is beneficial to the upholding of free speech at Harvard? 

SK: I ​think ​my ​speech ​was ​just ​one ​moment ​in ​a ​large[r moment]. There ​were ​so ​many ​more ​students ​involved ​in ​the ​protests and ​in ​the ​broader ​movement ​at ​the ​national ​level. ​There ​were ​encampments ​across ​the ​country. ​My ​speech ​was ​something ​I ​had ​written ​for ​months. ​I’d ​been ​working ​on ​it ​for ​months, and ​I’d ​been writing ​and ​rewriting ​it ​several ​times ​over. I ​think ​they’re [the address and the movement are] ​two ​separate ​things. My ​speech ​talked ​to ​the ​moment ​that ​we ​were ​in, ​but ​it ​wasn’t ​necessarily ​the ​moment ​itself. ​And ​I ​think ​that’s ​the ​distinction ​that ​people ​need ​to ​understand, ​is ​my ​speech ​can ​also ​be ​applied ​to ​any ​other ​human ​rights ​issue ​going ​on ​in ​the ​world. ​I ​talk ​a ​lot ​about ​solidarity ​and ​empathy, and ​I ​talk ​about ​the ​power ​of ​”not ​knowing,” ​and ​these ​are ​all ​concepts. ​Right ​now, ​we’re ​talking ​about ​Israel ​and ​Palestine, but ​you ​can ​apply ​my ​speech ​to ​really ​any ​kind ​of ​humanitarian ​issue ​or ​human ​rights ​issue ​that’s ​ongoing, ​because ​these ​are ​all ​universal ​concepts ​of ​empathy ​and ​solidarity ​and ​the ​power ​of “​not ​knowing.”

​And ​so ​as ​much ​as ​the ​speech ​was ​a ​moment ​in ​and ​of ​itself, ​it ​is ​not ​the ​movement ​entirely, ​because ​there ​were ​all ​these ​encampments ​across ​the ​country, and so ​many ​more ​students ​that ​have ​spent ​so ​much ​more ​time ​than ​I ​have ​working ​on ​pro-Palestine ​efforts ​on ​campus. ​It’s ​getting ​a ​lot ​of ​attention ​right ​now, ​because ​it ​was ​off ​script ​and ​it ​was ​such ​a ​big ​moment, ​it ​was ​Harvard, ​and ​it ​was ​all ​of ​these ​things. And ​if ​that ​contributes ​to ​this ​broader ​movement ​that ​encourages ​the ​U.S. ​to ​take ​better ​actions ​when ​it ​comes ​to ​reducing ​the ​war, ​reducing ​death, and ​reducing ​all ​of ​this ​stuff ​that’s ​going ​on, ​then ​I’m ​happy ​with ​that. ​

But ​at ​the ​same ​time, ​​the ​hyper ​focus ​on ​the ​speech ​alone ​is ​​not ​what ​my ​goal ​was ​from ​giving ​it. ​It ​was ​to ​communicate ​this ​idea, ​the ​power ​of “​not ​knowing” and to ​communicate ​this ​idea ​of ​solidarity, ​this ​kind ​of ​humanity, ​and ​this ​oneness ​that ​we ​share. ​I ​ask ​questions ​about “can ​we ​see ​the ​pain ​in ​people who ​we ​disagree ​with?” ​And ​that’s ​something ​that I ​want ​people ​to ​think ​about, ​not ​just ​with ​this ​issue, ​but ​in ​how ​we ​approach ​a ​lot ​of ​issues ​moving ​forward. ​Our ​country ​is ​really ​good ​at ​being ​very ​polarized ​with ​issues, ​and ​it’s ​not ​very ​productive ​in ​my ​opinion. 

​And ​​I ​didn’t ​know ​it ​would ​blow ​up ​like ​this. ​I ​didn’t ​intend ​for ​it ​to ​have ​the ​effect ​that ​it ​did, ​but ​I ​am ​glad ​that ​it ​did ​because ​it’s ​reached ​so ​many ​people. ​I’ve ​heard ​from ​people ​and ​faculty ​have ​emailed ​me ​saying “thank ​you ​for ​speaking ​up.” People ​have ​said, “I ​walked ​out ​after ​you ​gave ​the ​speech. ​I ​wasn’t ​planning ​on ​it ​before, ​but ​I ​did ​after ​you ​spoke.” ​And ​so ​stuff ​like ​that ​was ​encouraging ​in ​that my ​speech ​wasn’t ​directly ​connected ​to ​the ​walkout. ​It ​wasn’t ​directly ​connected ​to ​any ​particular ​student, ​group, ​or ​movement ​on ​campus, but ​I ​spoke ​to ​the ​moment, ​and ​it ​wasn’t ​intentional ​to ​be ​the ​moment. ​So we ​need ​to ​keep ​the ​focus ​on ​the ​issue ​at ​hand, ​which ​is ​what’s ​going ​on ​in ​Israel and ​Palestine ​right ​now. 

HPR: During commencement, hundreds of students and faculty walked out of the ceremony to protest the administration’s decision to withhold degrees from the 13 seniors. Could you describe your experience and the general atmosphere at the ceremony during the walkout?

SK: ​I ​don’t ​know ​how ​many ​people ​knew ​about ​the ​walkout – I ​personally ​didn’t ​know ​when ​it ​was ​happening ​or ​anything ​like ​that. ​So ​I ​think ​people ​started ​walking ​out ​during ​the ​graduate ​degree ​deferrals — ​that ​was ​kind ​of ​the ​first [portion] and there ​was ​a ​large ​chunk ​of ​people ​that ​walked ​out ​during ​that ​part. ​I ​myself ​walked ​out ​along ​with ​the ​other ​undergraduate ​orator ​during ​the ​undergraduate ​degree ​deferrals, because ​that ​was ​​more ​of ​the ​moment ​that ​I ​felt ​was ​necessary ​to ​walk ​out, especially when people were ​celebrating ​undergraduate ​degrees ​during ​a ​time ​when ​13 ​members ​of ​our ​class ​weren’t ​getting ​degrees. ​That ​was ​not ​something ​that ​I ​sat ​well ​with, and ​so that ​was ​the ​moment ​I ​decided ​to ​walk ​out. ​I ​think ​there ​was ​a ​lot ​of ​parents ​that ​walked ​out ​too ​with ​their ​students. ​​

It ​was ​chaotic, ​it ​was ​wild, and ​it ​was ​definitely ​a ​moment ​to ​remember. ​For ​Maria’s ​speech, ​we ​watched ​it on ​live-​stream ​later, and it ​was ​awesome. ​I ​wish ​we ​were ​all ​there ​to ​hear ​it ​live. ​I ​did ​watch ​it ​later, ​but ​I ​think ​it was ​necessary ​in ​the ​moment ​that ​was ​happening. ​And ​those ​that ​felt ​like ​they ​wanted ​to ​stay, ​stayed — ​and ​that ​was ​good ​too. ​But ​​I ​personally ​just ​felt ​like ​celebrating ​that ​moment ​didn’t ​feel ​right, so ​I ​decided ​to ​walk ​out ​during ​the ​undergraduate ​conferral ​degree. ​

HPR: With the 13 seniors barred from graduating and the other students under suspension, why do you believe the administration enacted these sanctions even though according to precedent, past student movements have faced comparatively minor discipline?

SK: From ​my ​perspective, Harvard ​as ​an ​educational ​institution ​has a ​first ​priority ​to ​its ​students ​and ​protecting ​its ​students. ​The ​harshness ​of ​the ​decision ​of taking away the undergraduate ​degrees ​was ​what ​I ​felt ​to ​be ​unjust. ​Graduate ​students ​were ​also ​involved ​in ​protests ​and ​all ​graduate ​students ​were ​allowed ​to ​graduate. ​And ​so the ​distinction ​was ​that ​it ​wasn’t ​consistent ​university-​wide. ​So ​graduate ​students ​were ​allowed ​to ​graduate, ​undergraduate ​students ​weren’t. ​So ​it ​just ​felt ​like ​there ​wasn’t ​a ​united ​front ​in ​the ​way ​that ​Harvard ​was ​making ​its ​decisions. ​

FAS ​had ​also ​voted. A ​majority ​were in ​support ​of ​the students ​and ​against ​the ​unprecedented ​sanctions, and ​so ​all ​of ​it ​felt ​like ​it ​was ​the ​Administrative ​Board​ ​making ​these ​decisions ​that ​were ​not ​in ​line ​with ​precedent, ​nor ​in ​line ​with ​what ​students ​and ​what ​faculty ​believed, ​nor ​in ​line ​with ​the ​graduate ​schools. ​So ​it ​wasn’t ​really ​aligned ​with ​anyone ​else, ​for ​that ​matter, and ​that ​was ​also ​a ​glaring ​issue ​to ​me.

HPR: Your senior English address focused on the power of “not knowing” and you encouraged your fellow peers to “lean into conversation without assuming we have all the answers,” as “solidarity is not dependent on what we know, because ‘not knowing’ creates space for empathy, humility, and a willingness to learn.” For some, they may be hesitant to get involved or even speak about the war in Gaza due to “not knowing” enough about the conflict. To those who use a lack of knowledge as a reason for a lack of action, how might you encourage them to act?

SK: The ​first ​thing ​I ​would ​say ​is ​the ​world ​is ​chaotic, ​there’s ​a ​lot ​going ​on, ​and ​there’s ​a ​lot ​of ​violence, ​and ​sometimes ​it ​can ​be ​desensitizing ​and ​it ​can ​be ​overwhelming. ​And ​I ​think ​amongst ​all ​of ​that, taking ​a ​moment ​to ​realize ​that ​​there’s ​privilege ​in ​not ​knowing. There’s ​privilege ​in ​excluding ​yourself ​from ​the ​conversation, and ​that ​is ​also ​a ​decision ​that ​someone ​takes. ​So ​I ​encourage ​people ​to ​stay ​educated, ​to ​​read, ​and to follow ​along ​with ​what’s ​going ​on. ​If ​you’re ​not, ​there’s ​multiple ​ways ​to ​be ​an ​active ​and ​participating ​member ​of ​your ​community. ​It ​doesn’t ​have ​to ​be ​protests and it ​doesn’t ​have ​to ​be ​posting ​on ​social ​media; it ​can ​be ​educating ​yourself and ​it ​can ​be ​having ​conversations ​with ​other ​people. ​But ​turning ​a ​blind ​eye ​is ​something ​that ​I ​don’t ​believe ​anyone ​should ​do and is not acceptable. ​​I ​think ​we ​have ​to ​know ​what’s ​going ​on, ​and ​then ​we ​can ​decide ​to ​what ​degree ​we ​want ​to ​be ​involved, and ​that’s ​valid. ​But ​knowing, ​knowing ​how ​much ​you ​know, how ​much ​you ​don’t ​know, ​and being ​aware ​of ​that ​is ​the ​first ​step. 

​So ​my ​speech ​had ​many ​different ​definitions ​of ​not ​knowing: ​At ​the ​beginning, ​I ​start ​out ​with ​more ​basic ​definitions ​of ​not ​knowing. ​As the ​first, ​person ​in ​my ​family ​to ​go ​to ​college, ​I didn’t know ​how ​that ​process ​works. ​And ​that’s ​a ​very ​simple ​way ​of ​not ​knowing. ​Then ​there’s ​more ​complex ​ways ​of ​not ​knowing, ​such as ​not ​knowing ​somebody’s ​experience ​of ​life ​or ​death, and not ​knowing ​someone’s ​walk ​of ​life. ​And ​so ​there’s ​all ​these ​definitions ​of ​not ​knowing. ​And ​the ​one ​that ​we ​find ​ourselves ​in ​today, ​ ​calls ​on ​us ​to ​learn ​about ​how ​other ​people ​in ​the ​world ​are, what ​they’re ​facing ​right ​now, ​what ​we’re ​facing ​right ​now, ​and ​how ​different ​those ​experiences ​are. ​And ​it’s ​our ​responsibility ​to, ​at ​the ​very ​least, ​learn ​and ​educate ​ourselves ​about ​it.

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